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Speedy deletion of Template:Ahnentafel-compact2

A tag has been placed on Template:Ahnentafel-compact2 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Ahnentafel-compact3

A tag has been placed on Template:Ahnentafel-compact3 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Ahnentafel-compact6

A tag has been placed on Template:Ahnentafel-compact6 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (<noinclude>{{transclusionless}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

To trouble you but you are the most helpful techy I know... Why is updating the interwiki list a manual process which gets forgotten about? Does Brion have to do this? As far as I can see the list updates every few days but the database updates are very slow/ not even monthly. Shouldn't it all be automatic? See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12763 --BozMo talk 11:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Geni = Genisock2

I feel that a sig that linked to two separate accounts would give even more room for confusion.Genisock2 (talk) 11:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm

"If you should happen to have an open bottle of vinegar in one hand while spilling sodium hydroxide on the other, by all means rinse with the vinegar first."... Risk of scalding burns from this? Especially if the NaOH was very conc?--BozMo talk 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm indeed... probably not, if I did my math right. Looks like neutralizing concentrated (30M) NaOH with 10% (1.66M) vinegar ought to raise the temperature of the resulting mix by only 21K. Less if the NaOH isn't so concentrated or if you use excess vinegar, but ultimately it's the water-to-acetic acid ratio in the household vinegar that limits the temperature increase to less than about 22.3K. Even a stoichiometric mix of 5M acetic acid + conc. NaOH shouldn't heat up by more than 60K — nasty enough, but no worse than spilling hot coffee (25°C + 60K = 85°C). Especially when compared to the chemical burns from the concentrated NaOH in the first place. Besides, 5M acetic acid isn't something you should be washing your hands with anyway, NaOH or no NaOH. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 08:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Not completely convinced, since neutralising is not a likely immediate outcome. Doesn't the main heating come from the dilution of the NaOH by the water and the acid just gives you an extra unhelpful few dozen degrees? Caustic soda plus water gets to temperatures which will ignite wood. It would have to be a pretty big bottle of vinegar to neutralise a reasonable quantity of conc NaOH. Either way the priority is as much water as you can possibly get in whatever form, I think.--BozMo talk 12:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You mean if the NaOH is in solid form? If you get solid NaOH on your skin, I'd say the first thing to do would be to brush as much as possible of it off with something dry — unless the NaOH is in very fine powder form, most of it won't cling to dry skin. Anyway, the enthalpy of dissolution of solid NaOH is somewhat less than the enthalpy of neutralization (44.45 kJ/mol vs. 55.90 kJ/mol). (There should be some heat released from the dilution of concentrated aqueous NaOH, but I can't find the necessary figures to calculate that on Wikipedia; in any case, it's likely to be rather less than the heat of dissolution from solid form.) Of course, the difference is that it only requires a rather small amount of water (or vinegar) to dissolve a mole of NaOH, so the heat can be concentrated in a smaller total mass; that's exactly why one should use copious water (or other liquid) for washing off caustic chemicals.

Anyway, I've been assuming that we're dealing with such amounts of NaOH as might reasonably end up on one's hands after an accidental spill (and the natural "get it off me!" shaking reaction), which is rather less than even the contents of a typical vinegar bottle. If, on the other hand, you have the misfortune to get a gallon of concentrated NaOH dumped on your head and clothes, you're not going to be trying to rinse it off with vinegar anyway — you're going to be running around in blind panic and screaming your head off, hopefully with sufficient presence of mind to head in the general direction of the nearest shower or pool of water. In any case, I stand by my conclusion that ordinary household vinegar, if applied quickly and in sufficient amounts, should be perfectly safe and effective for washing NaOH off skin — just not particularly more effective than an equivalent amount of plain water. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, you win. I was thinking of a cup of liquid NaOH which was conc enough to be viscous or powder onto wet skin, as might be tipped down a drain to unblock it. But I cannot see that the question is likely to be of much use. My vinegar bottle has this sort of drip nozzle on it so I would die of boredom before burns anyway. Incidentally wouldn't you have to be informed to scream? People who have had glove leaks often don't seem to notice until the damage is considerable? --BozMo talk 12:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Could well be, I haven't tried it myself. I've managed to expose my hands briefly to about 2M–5M NaOH, and it indeed just made the skin feel soapy; I didn't wait around to see what leaving it there for longer might've done. Anyway, if you literally did have a bucket of the concentrated stuff dumped on your head, I'd expect you'd probably notice. (BTW, if I remember my lab classes correctly, I don't think pure conc. NaOH(aq) is particularly viscous — it's the other stuff in drain cleaning fluid that makes it like that. I guess the worst-case scenario might be pouring fine powdered solid NaOH over wet skin.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Downsize help

Hi,

Of what I can see you have some experience with Wiki templates. I am trying to import the Downside template to the Romanian Wikipedia, but I ran into some problems. First I translated the title, but it gave me an error, so I leaved it with the original title, but the error was still there.

The error is that even though the template page looks fine, there is no effect in the actual pages, where it's being used. I can't figure it out, and i would really appreciate it, if you'd help me.
The Romanian template page is here. At the moment, the template's name is in Romanian. If possible, i'd like it to stay like that. Thanks in advance! diego_pmc (talk) 14:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The {{downsize}} template does nothing on its own — it only adds a marker which is detected by some JavaScript code in MediaWiki:Common.js. However, it looks like the Romanian Wikipedia already has the same code installed (look for the text "ÎNCEPUT repararea titlurilor cu iniţială mică"), so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I can't edit the page anyway, so I'll ask some Romanian admin, to see what's wrong. diego_pmc (talk) 15:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

'tyop'

Nyuck nyuck nyuck... HalfShadow (talk) 19:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Fixing userscripts

• I noticed your edit in «Scripts/Logs link» and I thought maybe you could make another edit and remove (now duplicate) "user logs" link (as I mentioned here) —AlexSm 20:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I've removed the special case and generally simplified the script. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• I guess you didn't notice this message a couple of months ago; enhanced watchlist moved to table design since then, but in any case, I think it would be nice to mention that your watchfilter script is not only obsolete, but simply doesn't work with "Enhanced Recent Changes" option. —AlexSm 20:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for this note too. I've marked the script as obsolete and no longer maintained, and added an explicit note about the bug to the copy on WP:JS. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Search scripts

		The Where Has Your Script Been All These Years Award
		It is my honour to present the very prestigious Where Has Your Script Been All These Years Award to Ilmari Karonen and PhilKnight for their work on search scripts leading to the "search links" user script. Thanks, Merzul (talk) 14:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: AN

If you really feel keeping Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Sligo or Category:Eyptian rabbis or Category:FIPS 10-4 (whatever that is) around is vitally important, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I certainly don't think keeping such categories around is vitally important. I just don't see what the "great need" to delete them is, either. Sure, I might delete such unused categories myself if I come across them and have nothing better to do, but if not, I don't really see how their continued existence would harm anyone. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 04:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Your RBAG

A left you a few questions, Enjoy! --Chris 12:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Rabbit and hip dysplasia (human)

Thanks so much for your help with that picture. It just didn't look right. I had a peek at your user page and noticed you speak both Finnish and Swedish. If I may bother you with a task of contacting someone at those Wikipedia sites. I'm cooperating on the Hip dysplasia (human) page. It is a condition that occurs with higher frequency in some northern ethnic populations. I was wondering if they have a "Village Pump" or "Science reference desk" where we could ask someone some questions, but of course there's this language barrier to making contact. If I could burden you with asking a couple of questions there I'd be very delighted. What would be most valuable currently would be:

• Any notable historical local surgeons or doctors, events, discoveries, or treatment procedures with dates, description and reference.
• Any specific ways of treatment that are different than elsewhere. (with sources)
• When was the condition first recognized there (as a medical condition). (with sources)
• Are there any local traditions that would encourage hip dysplasia. (swaddling, cradle board etc.) OR were other risk factors identified locally (referenced)
• Study/studies of incidence (how often it occurs per X births) in different local ethnic populations (with sources)

The sources can be in the local language, but have to be wikisafe. I hope we can find one or two people who are able and willing to help out. Thanks in advance for your effort. Please feel free to leave questions or comments on the discussion page of Hip dysplasia (human) or on my talk page Lisa4edit. --Lisa4edit (talk) 06:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll try looking into this, but it would be easier if I even knew what hip dysplasia was called in Finnish (or Swedish for that matter). I have a hunch that synnynnäinen lonkkaluksaatio (lit. "congenital hip luxation") may be the relevant term, but I'm not sure if it has the exact same scope or means something slightly different. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Cato Research AfD

I've dropped a note on the creator's talk page with a link to the relevant guidelines. I think the company might well be sufficiently notable, it's always hard to tell when it's obviously written by their PR department. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Nitrogen prices

"I hear the low-grade 78% stuff is really cheap." Damn, you cracked me up with that one. I don't normally praise jokes at the reference desk, but that line really made me laugh. Thanks. -- HiEv 15:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

RE ANI Prison IP

Thank you for taking that post seriously Ilmari Karonen. I was a bit surprised at how casual other people seem to have been about it. I've been on WP for nearly 2 years and I've seen a lot more fuss made of less-serious looking edits. Anyway thanks for notifying the server admin - as I said on ANI I don't know how to do this (and the reason I didn't push for somebody else to do so was becuase I was being told that the issue wasn't serious). Thanks again for looking at it--Cailil ^talk 00:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wally West

Thanks for your help! I had considered the archive solution, but was concerned that doing so might be "bad form". I wanted to make sure that I moved the content in the right way. Based on your advice, I'll go ahead and archive the old talk page. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Cannot create a subpage in my userspace

Hi. I've complained that I cannot create subpages in my userspace. Can you help? --Петър Петров (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

(Note: The next answer is moved here from my talk page so all the talk stays on one place. --Петър Петров)

Sorry about that, it was indeed my mistake. I've fixed the problematic rules so that they're no longer applied to user pages. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I welcome your efforts against vandalism and thank you for what you are doing. Keep up the good work! --Петър Петров (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Gyromitra esculenta help

Hi, I noticed you are in Helsinki (I was waiting for someone from Finland to turn up editing this article!). If you have a digital camera i would be extremly grateful for any photos of this mushroom sold in a shop, market or as a tinned product to further illustrate the article. Also if there is any information in Finnish on how to eat it (general recipes). I am trying to work the article up for FAC. All input gratefully appreciated :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great work you've been doing with the article. It's just getting to be about the right time of the year for fresh false morels, so I'm going to keep my eyes open and try to snap a photo. As for preparation, after boiling they can be used much like any other mushrooms. A common preparation method is to gently sautée the mushrooms in butter in a saucepan (perhaps with some onions) and then add flour and finally milk to yield false morels in bechamel sauce, or, if more fluid is added, a false more soup, both of which can be further flavored e.g. with parsley, chives and maybe some black pepper. (For a specific recipe, see e.g. [1].) A false morel omelette can also be quite tasty. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I am in Australia so it is a little bit tricky for me to take photos... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Just as an update, it seems false morel season has started: I just saw some in a store today. I snapped a picture with my cell phone, but of course, being a cell phone and not a real camera, the image quality sucks. Not that the setting was that great either, they were just tucked in a corner of the vegetable shelf. I think I'll go mushroom shopping with my dSLR later this week and see what I'll get. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

(A gentle reminder..) - any luck with some photos from the shops? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

PS: I added your cooking note, trying to make it as neutral and encyclopedic as possible - thus:

In Finnish Cuisine, false morels may be cooked in an omelette, or gently sautéed in butter in a saucepan, flour and milk added to make a bechamel sauce. Alternately, more fluid can be added for a false morel soup. Typical condiments added for flavour include parsley, chives and black pepper.

Now I presume the link is a ref for this but I can't speak finnish....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

These are the last two things before I'll take it to FAC, I just had a very helpful Catalan-speaking person sort out another bit of info so just about ready to roll....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Erks. Great photos - added now. I just need a more 'official' ref for recipes - all english guidebooks do is try to dissuade folks eating them, so need a ref on ways they are eaten :( Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I can try to find some English recipes, or translate some Finnish ones. To start with, here's a quick translation of the page mentioned above:

Although the false morel, when fresh, is quite poisonous, when correctly prepared it is nonetheless a tasty ingredient for cooking. There is unlikely to be much health risk if one consumes correctly prepared false morels only a few times a year. The false morel is well suited for flavoring soups, and it makes a tasty false morel stew to be served as a side dish. The stew may also be served e.g. with fried or smoked salmon, it can be used to fill various kinds of pies, and it also makes an excellent coating sauce where called for. Also in an omelette it makes a tasty treat. The possible used of false morels depend only on the creativity of the cook. For example, finely chopped false morels may be added to crêpe mix, with the crêpes after frying stuffed with e.g. smoked fish or a mix of smetana and roe. Here are a few basic recipes for the use of false morels in cooking.

False morel stew

• 80 g butter or margarine
• chopped false morels
• (chopped onion)
• 80 g wheat flour or mixed wheat and e.g. graham flour
• 1 l cream-milk or e.g. vegetable bouillon
• salt
• (ground black pepper)

Melt the fat in a saucepan, add the correctly prepared and chopped false morels and onion. Sweat briefly in fat, then add the flour. Mix evenly and add the liquid. Stir and let stew until done. Check the taste and add spices as necessary. The stew can also be easily turned into a soup by adding more liquid.

False morel pie

• 2 dl wheat flour
• 1 dl graham flour
• 150 g margarine or butter
• ½ tsp salt
• 1 dl water

stuffing:

• 700 g false morels
• 1 small onion
• 50 g butter
• 3 dl cream
• salt
• pepper
• a dash of sherry

Mix the base ingredients into a pie dough. Prepare the false morel stew as above. Spice it and let it cool. Roll two thirds of the dough flat and line the pie form with it. Press the dough so that you get a few centimeters of dough edges. Add the cooled false morel stew into the form and place a dough lid rolled from the rest of the dough on top of it. Poke holes in the cover and smear with butter. Bake at about 200 °C for 30 to 40 minutes.

The awkward grammar and wording is partly from the original and partly from the translation; the original seems to assume you already know how make a basic bechamel sauce and how to bake a pie, and just gives a rough overview to refresh your memory. You'll note that there's very little in either recipe that's specific to false morels; they're just generic recipes for mushroom stew and pie. I'll try to translate the prologue of the page, which does discuss false morel preparation in more detail, too, but I'll have to take a break now. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I've added a translation of the paragraph immediately above the recipes. Also, the images below are captioned "False morel soup"[2] and "Rolled gravlax with false morel stew"[3]. The remaining text above the translated section consists mostly of a copy of the official false morel preparation instructions and some generic tips for mushrooms hunters (only pick mushrooms you know, etc.), while the bottom half of the page deals with wild celery and doesn't mention false morels at all. I also added a few wikilinks, and clarified one translation: the verb "kuulottaa" is probably closer to sweating than sautéing, though the distinction is pretty fine (and certainly you can do either). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation. The main issue at the moment is I want to take it to FAC and it helps to have a published book as a source. Generally, a personal website would be frowned upon, though I would have thought it would be ok for something as mundane as a recipe, hence I wasn't worried about whether it was in finnish or english, just that I needed a book. I will slot the page in as a reference anyway and cross my fingers... (though I am appreciative of the translation and one day when I come to Finland I may try them :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: WP:AN notice

Hi, do you know if Wikipedia or Commons allow more than 1 featured picture per subject? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 23:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I haven't the faintest idea. The criteria don't seem to say anything about it: the closest WP:FP? comes is to say that featured pictures should be "among the best examples of a given subject that the encyclopedia has to offer". Commons:COM:I says that "normally there should never be two featured pictures that are just different versions of the same image, so if a better version exists the original version should be delisted", but I don't think the two turtle images are quite similar enough for that to necessarily apply.

In this particular case (and this is really more addressed to Mbz1 directly), I'd suggest bringing the issue up at commons:Commons talk:Featured picture candidates; I'm sure the folks there will be more familiar with the process. If you ask me, though, one possibility might be to try a special "nomination to replace", with voters asked to express the preference to either keep the currently feature image, replace it with the ostensibly better one or, possibly, to feature both. Or just let the current nomination run its course; things may sort themselves out on their own now that the issue has been brought to wider attention. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Common.js breakage

That last edit of yours to MediaWiki:Common.js introduced some syntax errors, including a line that read:

for(new importScript, importStylesheet, and family

I've reverted it for now, would you mind taking a second look at it? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I must have pressed Ctrl+V by accident just as I was saving the edit. I'm not picking up any script errors now. Are you? —Remember the dot ^(talk) 02:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be working fine now. Thanks! —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Edittools error on Safari

I get the following error on Safari 3.1 when I enter the edit window. I don't remember encountering that error yesterday. Yesterday the tools seemed to work:

Value undefined (result of expression token.indexOf) is not object. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ilmari_Karonen/edittools.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&nocache=test002 (line 150)

--TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a suspicion that it might've been caused by the for-in loop over str.split(' ') iterating over something it shouldn't have, so I changed it to a for(;;) loop. Did that help? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 08:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, now it works again. Good work. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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Edittools loader code

There doesn't seem to be any objection to adding the loader code to MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js. The sooner, the better, no? : - ) --MZMcBride (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup. It's there now. I also fixed a minor bug in MediaWiki:Common.js that caused the edit page script not to be loaded on preview. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Email

Hello. I have sent you an email regarding MediaWiki:Titleblacklist; I didn't want to post on any talk page because of WP:BEANS. Thanks, GlobeGores (talk page | user page) 00:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Badtitles

Just quickly, what is the purpose of the badtitles page? Simply south (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

As it says at the top, it's a list of existing pages that match the current (at the time the page was last updated) title blacklist, which means ordinary users would not be able to create them if they didn't already exist. The purpose is to see if some of the entries in the blacklist might be matching too many valid titles and thus need to be made more specific. As a side effect, it also lists a lot of genuinely broken titles that may need fixing. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Moving system messages

I see you moved the system messages Uploadtext/en-ownwork, Uploadtext/en-withpermission and Uploadtext/en-nonfree out of the MediaWiki namespace to allow non-admins to edit them. While I see your point and agree that this could well be a good idea, there's one little problem: redirects from system messages don't work. The only reason the customized upload forms didn't break immediately is that (as I understand it) Wikimedia's servers are set to cache these messages rather aggressively, so that any change is likely to take a few days to have any effect.

Fortunately, there does seem to be a workaround in this case. I've edited the messages you moved to replace the redirects with transclusions; this seems to work on my test wiki at least. We'll see in a few days whether it works here too. (Unfortunately, even this won't work with the corresponding license selector pages, since those aren't actually parsed as normal wikitext.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 09:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that explains it. I didn't think that redirects would work, but after I moved the pages I checked and it seemed to be working fine, so I left it. Thanks for fixing the pages to use transclusion instead. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 00:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Upload

User:Remember the dot was bold and unprotected the page. I've cleaned it up the best I can. Please let me know if I missed anything, or screwed up anything.

I found your comments at WP:AN helpful. You helped me refocus on the dangers from others' points of view.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist    18:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Blacklist

See here -- can you do something about variants of the n-word? Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 03:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I was trying to add HAGGR, RGGAH, HRMY, and YMRH based on this morning's vandalism, but I messed up the formatting, and then you modified the list. Could you add these, please? Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 15:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Done, just changed a few "+" signs to "*"s instead. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, glad you understand this stuff.  :) NawlinWiki (talk) 16:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

RMS Empress of Ireland (1906) and RMS Empress of Australia (1919)

Ilmari Karonen -- Aha! As you know, this was nothing other than a mildly embarrassing illustration of the phrase "much ado about nothing" ....

When I explored the links at the side of each page -- aeons ago, I guess I just didn't recognize something as fundamental as 2+2=4. Somehow, I simply didn't appreciate what could result from clicking on the "What links here" option.

So ..., I guess this becomes an illustration of another Shakespeare phrase -- the one about "all's well that ends well." Thanks again for the feedback. Please join me in chuckling about my unique ability to misunderstand something which now seems so transparently obvious. --Tenmei (talk) 22:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry..

..for the cut-and-paste move of Of The Wand & The Moon, I tried moving it but it didn't work, so I forgot about the moving conventions due to my impatiency. This has not occured before, and will not in the future. Thank you for the note and for cleaning up my mess. Cheers, –Skadinaujo T•C 15:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for fixing 'db-reason' :) Exxolon (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Edits you made using Vyznev Xnebara

Hi Ilmari, in a couple of places, you have made edits using VX with the edit summary "Fixing temporary "arxiv.org/PS_cache" and obsolete "arxiv.org/ftp" URLs to link to abstract page with download links instead (with script assistance)." In other words, you changed the links so they linked not straight to the download page of say a pdf. I'm not complaining or anything, but I was just wondering, does Wikipedia have a policy to follow that says what you did was is the way links should be given, or was it purely an aesthetic reason? Just curious s'all. Deamon138 (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any definite policy about it, although the scientific citation guidelines do recommend the {{arXiv}} template, which links to the abstract (via the "arXiv:" interwiki link prefix). The main reason, in my opinion, to prefer linking to the abstract page is practical: you can get from the abstract to the PDF in one click, but going the other way is difficult. Also, if you can't or don't want to read PDF for some reason, the ability to choose PostScript, DVI or TeX source instead can be valuable. I don't seem to be alone in this opinion, either.

Mind you, one reason why I do review every edit before saving it is to fix cases where the PDF version should be directly linked, such as when the corresponding abstract link has already been provided as well, or as in the talk page comment I mentioned above. The other reason, of course, is to remove any redundant "(PDF)" notes from the links that I do change to point to the abstract page, in the cases where the script doesn't catch them automatically. And of course I'm watching out for any actual errors, though I haven't really seen one yet. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 20:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool, there seem to be some good reasons for linking to the abstract so thanks for the info. Curiosity satisfied! Deamon138 (talk) 22:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

About Martha My Dear Piano Intro

I understand your point, just a thought came to mind. At the sites of transcriber companies you can see samples of the scores which are derived from well known composers.

Mine is not the entire song just the intro. I wanted to illustrate musicians of how to properly transcribe the song, given that throughout the years I have not been able to find an accurate transcription commercial or non-commercial.

Anyway, I have already required an immediate deletion. Thanks.

You mean that I am going to be granted rollback privileges or that there's a way to sidestep the problem and be able to publish the piano intro of the song?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fefogomez (talk • contribs) 21:00, 23 June 2008

I'd assume those transcribed scores by well known composers that you refer to are probably either a) licensed from the composer, or whomever holds the copyright to the composition, or b) of works old enough to have entered the public domain. Anyway, I think it would be best to try and keep this discussion in one place.

Oh, and by the way, if you want your own image speedily deleted you don't need to send it to IfD; just tag it with {{db-author}} instead. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Help with implementing new Edittools

Hi, I've been working on cleaning up the JS & CSS at the Irish Wiktionary and have just got to the various bits of 'specialchars' code. Since your new implementation looks good I thought I'd try getting it to work over there, but so far I haven't had much success.

There have been a couple of different ways this kind of thing has been added in the past and I'm not sure if this is interfering in any way. At the moment I have edittoolstest.js in my userspace and I'm importing it in my monobook.js. edittoolstest.js is set to load MediaWiki:Edittools.js and I've added a placeholder <div> to MediaWiki:Edittools (copied from MediaWiki:Edittools here).

After fiddling about with this for a while I'm coming to the conclusion that I don't really understand it! I'd be most grateful if you could have a look and see if there's something obvious I'm doing wrong here.

Thanks in advance, ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 07:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a missing comma at the end of the 'Giúdais' line at wikt:ga:MediaWiki:Edittools.js which is giving me a syntax error. I suspect that's probably the problem. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, if you're finding the Arabic/Hebrew lines difficult to edit due to the changing text direction, you may want to copy the rule I added to my monobook.css there. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 22:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the 'Giúdais' (Yiddish) line, but it's still not working for me. Thanks again. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 10:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I think I solved it. For some reason, on wikt:ga the runOnloadHook() function is called later than here on the English Wikipedia. (There's a line of JS at the bottom of the page HTML that should run it as soon as all the HTML has loaded, but for some reason that doesn't work on wikt:ga so that it only runs when the actual window.onload event fires.) This means that the Edittools.js script tries to attach EditTools.setup to the onload event after it has already fired, and so ends up doing nothing. The modified versions I set up at wikt:ga:Úsáideoir:Ilmari Karonen/edittoolstest.js and wikt:ga:Úsáideoir:Ilmari Karonen/edittools.js ought to work; I'll still need to make the same changes to the versions here on enwiki, though hopefully they won't really be needed here. Still, it'd be nice to know what's causing the different behavior... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It would indeed be good to know why this is happening, but I have no idea where to start. Could it be as simple as configuration? Would I need to get a developer to look at it?

With your fixes, it is indeed working now. But I can't get my addition to show up. It gets an entry in the drop-down (Gaeilge), but doesn't make any buttons. I've purged and reloaded everything, but I'll try a browser restart shortly. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 03:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a caching issue. This is looking good so I might go live with it soon. If I do I gather that I should keep the current charinsert methods around for at least 30 days to allow a smooth transition for users not logged in. Is that right? ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 05:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

One last thing on Gyromitra esculenta....

I just thought of something but it may not exist. Can you google to see if there are any finnish figures on consumption in finland (either euro amounts of trade or tonnes consumed annually?). It may not exist but just thought would be good to chekc for once....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

According to page 10 in this report by the Finnish Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, the total amount of false morels sold in Finland was 21.9 tonnes in 2006 and 32.7 tonnes (which is noted as being above average) in 2007. The report also notes the amount of false morels sold in year 2000, 50.1 tonnes, as the largest in recent history. They don't provide any figures for years 2001–2005, though; presumably these could, if wanted, be found in similar reports from previous years. (For comparison, the previous page in the same report gives e.g. the amount of champignons cultivated in Finland in 2007 as 1824.7 tonnes, with an additional 3125 tonnes imported.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

While googling, I also came across this "risk report on toxins in food and tapwater" from 2002 by the Finnish Ministry of Food (since replaced by the Finnish Food Safety Authority), which on page 38 gives the annual consumption of false morels as "hundreds of tonnes on a good year". (The discrepancy with the other report above might perhaps be due to the inclusion of self-picked mushrooms in the higher estimate, or might just reflect different statistical methodologies.) I'm mostly pointing it out, though, because the sources it cites on the following page might be worth taking a look at:

1. Hydrazones in False Morel, Tema Nord 1995:561, The Nordic Council of Ministers
2. Pyysalo, H. and Niskanen, A. (1977) On the Occurence of N-methyl-N-formylhydrazones in fresh and processed false morel, Gyromitra esculenta. J. Agr. Food Chem., 25: 644-647

—Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Fantastic, thankyou very much. The tonnage is great, I just have to decide on how much to put in to the article and how hard to hunt for more...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Addendum - for some reason I can't open the first one, can you tell me what the title is in finnish and english so I can put it into the inline reference? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The title page says: "MARSI 2007 — Luonnonmarjojen ja -sienien kauppaantulomäärät vuonna 2007" (loose translation: "Amounts of wild berries and mushrooms offered for sale in 2007"), March 2008, Finnish Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, Helsinki 2008. The introduction further notes that it's part of a series of annual surveys conducted since 1977, and that the actual survey has been carried out by Suomen Gallup Elintarviketieto Oy (formerly the Market Research Organization of the Pellervo Confederation of Finnish Cooperatives, now a part of the Taylor Nelson Sofres group) on commission from the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry. It seems likely that there might be an ISBN and/or ISSN for the report — most other MAF publications have them — but I couldn't find one on any lists. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and the previous year's survey gives the amount of false morels sold in 2005 as 19.3 tonnes. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Toolserveraccount

Hello Ilmari Karonen,
please send your real-name, your wikiname, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to . We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB. 14:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Roman Catholic dioceses in India

Couple things. First of all, both pages were created indepedently of each other. I created the List not knowing that there was another, more comprehensive list out there. That's why I wanted to get rid of the lesser list, so that only the more comprehensive one was used. You can go ahead and delete the other page, all the content on it has already been incorporated into the other article. Thank you for your assistance. Benkenobi18 (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

thanks for looking into it

SA also tagged few other images i uploaded for same reason, but they all are free.

[4][5][6][7]

Lakinekaki (talk) 05:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

TestEditBot

If you look towards the end of the paragraph which you were editing, it contains: <ref>Insert footnote text here</ref>, and the bot kept interpreting it as your addition. It isn't supposed to trigger on words that aren't changed in the diff. I'm looking into it, thanks for reporting it. tj9991 (talk | contribs) 14:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Vote on unit symbols for liter

We had earlier been trying to settle on wording to use for a guideline governing the unit symbol to use for the liter. There is now a vote, here at Straw poll on unit symbol usage for the liter to settle on just what it is we hope to accomplish with any guideline’s wording. I hope to see you there. Greg L (talk) 22:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm just leaving for a week-long camping trip, so I don't think I'll be able to participate in the discussion. I hope you'll be able to work out a solution to this that'll be acceptable to everybody. Anyway, have a nice week. :) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 05:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Bp logo.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Bp logo.gif. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

for the cleanup help. NawlinWiki (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Ilmari_Karonen/fixconverttosvg.js issue

Ilmari,

for some reason the above page lists itself in Category:Other images that should be in SVG format. I have no idea why, but I can't see any reason for it to be there. is that something you can fix? --Ludwigs2 01:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. I think this should fix it. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

that it did.  :-) --Ludwigs2 02:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The purpose of MediaWiki:Edittools

Hi, I'm just curious to come by to ask for information. Can you tell me what the page MediaWiki:Edittools.js is for? I have thought that MediaWiki:Edittools is enough to create an insert character feature on MediaWiki. Vinhtantran (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

It's supposed to be a replacement for (most of) the current Edittools implementation, with some potential advantages (once it's fully implemented) such as lower page load time and a cleaner interface for those with JavaScript disabled. See the discussion starting at MediaWiki talk:Edittools#Time to fix this page. I don't think it's officially live yet (though it's really about time I did something about that), but you can try it out for yourself by adding "window.testJsEdittools = true;" to your monobook.js. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

AilurophobiaBot

Hi, just in regards to your comment on the RFBA - it would be excellent if you could perform a toolserver query or database dump scrape for the categories that include userspace pages. Having some raw data to work with would be great to see how feasible this will be. Thanks, ~ AmeIiorate _{U T C} @ 12:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, just to let you know that AilurophobiaBot has been approved, and I would just like to thank you for the impromptu help you gave me. Cheers! ~ AmeIiorate _{U T C} @ 08:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Radix economy

Hello Ilmari Karonen, I know you didn't precisely write this article, but...

An article that you have been involved in editing, Radix economy, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radix economy. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Melchoir (talk) 18:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Village pump (technical) thread

Hi.

• Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Preference setting for the recently-overhauled character-selection area below editing box

Apologies if I'm being dense, but, when you say this should be working now, how/where do I implement it? Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Replied at the pump. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Bagheera kiplingi

On 27 August 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bagheera kiplingi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the inquiry about expanding the article on this most interesting spider. I am not qualified to make any more contributions than I have already on the subject. I became aware of it via an article in the scientific literature digest Science News, citing scholarly work on the subject, and did some Google researching and citation following to expand what I knew. Ohwilleke (talk) 19:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ref Desk

Re: [8] - if I had wanted to know about such things I would have asked about them, but no, you had to grab the coat-tails of OrangeMarlin's scurrilous accusations and poison the well still further. In future, if you have nothing to add relevant to a question, I suggest you remain silent. I have removed the question because I cannot cope with the unfounded and malicious blackening of my motives by certain of the contributors to it. You, as an admin, should really know better. DuncanHill (talk) 00:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

As I hoped would be clear from the placement of my comment, I was responding to Mboverload, not to you. Thread drift happens, it's a natural part of human conversation. He seemed skeptical that people would be looking for information about solvent extraction of psychoactive substances on Wikipedia; based on my personal experiences (see e.g. Talk:Agent Lemon and the history of the corresponding page) I expressed my opinion to the contrary. This was in no way intended to imply that you had asked the question for that purpose (although I'm still unsure about the anon who originally asked it), and indeed I would have thought it obvious from the context (and therefore did not see a need to remark upon) that your motive was simply intellectual curiosity coupled with a wish to arouse discussion about the suitability of such information on Wikipedia. I'm deeply sorry if you perceived my comment as casting aspersions upon your motives, and would like to assure you that it was by no means intended as such. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Mboverload's comment was a direct response to OrangeMarlin's personal attack, so it appeared to me that you were supporting OM's comment. Whatever, I don't see the point of a science desk where the asking of straightforward chemical questions is now forbidden. DuncanHill (talk) 00:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

nagle's algorithm

Thanks for the help on Nagle's algorithm. Im a new editor so I apologize if I ask redundant questions. I asked for references because I did not see enough on the nagle page..Was I correct in my question or did I just miss something obvious? It has hard to tell if from your pithy response. How did you find the references? Did you just do a google book search with the term?? Is google book search pretty exhaustive? Are we allowed to pull short quotes from them under fair use? THanks for your help and just to let you know I would really enjoy collaborating with you on an article..Cheersaharon42 (talk) 19:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

That's okay. The article indeed doesn't have many references, and one or two of those books (such as the O'Reilly one) would make good additions. You did come across a bit as if you were suggesting the subject was something made up in school one day, and I was in a hurry, so I just wanted to provide a link to show that it has indeed been written about in respectable textbooks. I did indeed just type the name of the article into Google Books — I don't really know how thorough their catalog is, and I suspect it varies depending on the subject, but in this case just knowing that there are some authoritative texts that discuss the subject should be enough. (Mind you, personally I kind of think that anything that has been the subject of an IETF RFC — yes, even IP over avian carriers — should be notable enough for a Wikipedia article.) While pulling short quotes from books for scholarly purposes is generally permitted under fair use, I don't think that's really necessary here: it's not hard to describe the subject in one's own words, and indeed we already have a reasonable, if short, article that does just that. I'll see if I can find the time to work on the sourcing for Nagle's algorithm a bit, but I do have a bunch of stuff I really need to finish outside Wikipedia, and I'm also still working on fleshing out our article on Tanja Karpela (which used to be an unsourced BLP) a little bit. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Ill be happy to work on referencing this article a little by little but I am still very new to the ref templates. Ill put them first on the discussion page and then maybe you can help me polish them up when ever you have the time, No rush to publish. Right? aharon42 (talk) 01:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit conflicts

I don't think you overdid the bold text at all! DuncanHill (talk) 16:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)